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Latest Update: 8 March 2001 ................................... WebSite Version


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SAXRL Posting status:
- entry for RIMBACH, Edward, 23 June 1997
- entry for KASTEN, Ruth GRUNOW, 23 June 1997
- entry for NOLLSCH, Roy S., 23 June 1997
- entry for JENNINGS, Ruth, 23 June 1997
- entry for HAEFLING, Trissa DAVIS, 23 June 1997
- entry for BARTHOLOMEW, Sally KESMODEL, 27 June 1997
- entry for STARK, Mrs. Chris HARZ, 1 July 1997
- entry for SCHMIDT, VeLoyce, 1 July 1997
- entry for COWLING, P. J. ORLOPP, 21 August 1997
- entry for KIRSCH, Karin Marie, 24 August 1997
- entry for CHRONI, Connie, 20 October 1997
- entry for OBENAUF, Bill, 28 October 1997
- additions for CHRONI, Connie, 11 December 1997
- entry for LANDON, Ruth, 30 December 1997
- entry for LEWIS, Phyllis, 18 January 1998
- entry for DUER, Clara, 18 April 1998
- entry for DICKMAN, Nancy, 26 April 1998
- entry for BORMAN, Phyllis, 30 September 1998
- entry for HAYLE, Barbara J., 30 September 1998
- entry for JENSON, Gust, 30 September 1998
- entry for LAUN, Carol, 30 September 1998
- entry for NELSON, Roger and Jean, 30 September 1998
- Note: no postings between 30 September 1998 and 13 January 1999
- entry for PARTHUM, Howard, 13 January 1999
- entry for PIPER, Cecil, 13 January 1999
- entry for STRAND, Carl, 13 January 1998
- entry for REIN, Peggy, 6 February 1999
- entry deleted for SCHMIDT, VeLoyce, 1 July 1997; see SAXRL
- new postal address above for STARK, Chris, 8 March 2001


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BARTHOLOMEW, Sally KESMODEL
eMail address: skb111@discoveryonline.com


I am looking for information concerning Frederick KESMODEL, born 1795 at Erfurt, Prussia, and his wife, Martha KESMODEL, born 1810 at Erfurt Prussia. They came to Baltimore, Maryland in 1834 with 2 sons, Frederick KESMODEL Junior, born 1829, Erfurt, Prussia, and Martin KESMODEL, born 20 May 1830 at Erfurt, Prussia. In Prussia, Frederick, Senior was a jewelry designer and maker. They had 2 more sons in America, Gustave, born 1846, and August, born 1840. Gustave married a lady named Sallie and August married a lady named Annie. Frederick Jr. learned the trade of making surgical instruments and cutlery and opened a store in San Francisco in 1850. He then moved back to Baltimore and opened a similar business at 104 Park Avenue there in 1872. Martin was owner and president of the German Fire Insurance Company of Baltimore, Maryland.



BORMAN, Phyllis
eMail address: phylborman@aol.com

(Congregational)

I am searching for the ancestors of Friedrich Gustav BORMANN, born 12 April 1861, in Saxony (all records say only Saxony). Friedrich immigrated to the United States in 1884, and became a naturalized citizen in 1892. He settled at Turner Junction (now West Chicago), Illinois. On 9 February 1886, Friedrich married Mary Elizabeth FAESSLER, at Wayne, Illinois, and shortly after their marriage, the couple settled on a farm near St. Charles, Illinois. Their marriage license application lists Friedrich's parents as Karl BORMANN and Christiane nee BERGER. Friedrich and Mary Elizabeth were members of the Congregational Church at St. Charles. Their children, all born at St. Charles, Illinois, were Christiane Wilhelmina, Melitta Elizabeth, Oscar Frederick, Alfred Heinrich, Elmer Jacob and Herbert Gustav. At some later date, the children dropped the second N from their family name, and from then on, they spelled it BORMAN. Friedrich (usually called Gus) was a stonemason by trade. Family stories say that Friedrich had a brother named Otto BORMANN, who lived in the southeastern part of North Dakota. This, as yet, is unproven by me. I have the genealogy from the time Friedrich settled in Turner Junction, but need information regarding his ancestors in Germany.



COWLING, P. J. (nee ORLOPP)
eMail address: User377364@aol.com


Maximilian A. ORLOPP signed an oath of intent in Franklin County, Ohio on 18 November 1848. His oath indicated allegiance to the Kingdom of Saxony. This name originally was ORLOFF. Family lore indicated that he was exiled from Russia and Germany at the same time as Carl SCHURZ. SCHURZ was a leader in the revolution in Germany of 1848. He arrived in America in 1852. Does anyone have information on this revolution or either ORLOPP or ORLOFF. He is my great grandfather. My search does not reveal his naturalization papers.



CHRONI, Connie
eMail address: CChroni670@aol.com


My ancestor, Casper KASHNER, came to the U.S. between 1845 and 1848 from Germany. This is not the proper last name spelling as I was told. Letters were dropped from his name but I am not sure what. Casper KASHNER was born 30 October 1816. On the 1890 census it states he was from Saxony His wife was Margaret DIEHL, born 10 January 1825 in Germany. Thier children born in Germany were: Elizabeth, born 10 June 1842 and Andrew, born 1 April 1847.

The following names were given to me as possible spellings of his name in Germany: KAESCHNER, KAESTNER, KARSCHNER, KARSTNER, KASCHMER, KASCHMIR, KASCHNER, KASTNER, KERSCHNER and KESCHNER. I am trying to find out exactly where he came from in Germany and the proper spelling, the boat he came across in, and if there is any descendants left in Germany for me to notify. I would also like to try to find out if Casper had any brothers or sisters and the names of his parents. It seems like I am at a stand still here, until I can come up with his proper name spelling when he lived in Germany. If there is any way you can help me it would be very much appreciated.

(11 December) I have recently found out that the proper spelling of the name KASHNER is CASPER. If anyone can help me with this name, it would be a great help. Need to find birth records and parents names and dates. Also if there were any brothers or sisters and their dates. The U.S. 1890 Federal census ststes he was from Saxony, Germany.



DICKMAN, Nancy
c/o WALDON, Carolynn KNAUFF
eMail address: Waldonhaus@aol.com


I am interested in finding any members of the LUPFERT family in Saxony. The pedigree ancestor was Jacob Lupfert, born 1690 at Weidensdorf near Niedereisdorf. His descendants are known until 1905. One branch of the family emigrated to Virginia in 1852, Franz Julius Lupfert was born 1834. Descendants have been located at Sonderhausen in Thuringen, Werdau, Grun bei Langerfelt, Weingrosse, Altenburg, Dennheritz, Meerane, Leipzig, Frankenau, Breiteslorn, Neidersteinbach bei Pening, Waldenburg and Weidendsdorf.

Are there any genealogy societies in Saxony who might have access to records showing the descendants of this family? I would be much appreciative if you have any inforamtion that would help in finding any living relatives. Thank you. I have no eMail myself but you may contact me by eMail through my friend, Carolynn Knauff Waldon.
Webmaster's Note: Contact the IGS (Immigrant Genealogy Society) of Burbank California and arrange for them to do an inexpensive search of the united Germany telephone book on CD-ROM for your surname.


DUER, Clara E.
1928 Winston Road, Colorado Springs, Colorado 80909-2104, USA


I am researching BLEIER and OBERLANDER / OBERLINDER surnames, possibly from the Chemnitz, area. Census and immigration records state only Saxony. Frederick BLEIER (born 7 May 1803, died 1860?) and Augusta OBERLANDER / OBERLINDER BLEIER (born 20 May 1805, died 22 December 1886) and sons Kinder Bleier (born 1830, died 1914) and Louis Bleier (born 1833, died ?) emigrated to the United States in the 1830's. Their daughter Caroline BLEIER / BLAIR, born 1837 in Delaware was my great grandmother. Other U.S. born children of Frederick and Augusta were Francis and Louisa. The surname was changed from BLEIER to BLAIR circa the 1850's probably at Allegheny City, Pennsylvania. My interest is in determining the family origins in Saxony and their ancestry. I do not have a computer or access to the Internet or the Web.



HAEFLING, Trissa DAVIS
351 Bonnie Brae North East, Warren, Ohio 44483-5212

(Lutheran)

Johann Lepold GLASER (Lutheran), born 29 July 1844, Mellingen, Saxony-Weimar, emigrated to America circa 1865-1869, married circa 1870 at St. Louis Missouri to Anna TEICH. She was the daughter of Wilhelm and Rosina (nee HERBST) TEICH (Catholics). Wilhelm Teich was born circa 1830 at Leipzig and Rosina HERBST was born circa 1827 at Zwenkau, Saxony and emigrated circa 1854 to St. Louis. I am searching for their German ancestry.



HAYLE, Barbara J.
208 View Street, Red Oak, Texas 75154- USA
eMail address: visionwd@jci.net


DAUTENHAHN, Carl Anton was born 2 February 1845 at (though not certain born there) Schneeberg, Saxony Germany. He studied under a Reverend BRUNN before immigrating as a missionary to America from Bremerhaven to New York 26 August 1872. In America he studied at Concordia Lutheran Seminary / College. He married a Johanna KLITTICH probably in Illinois, maybe where Concordia is there. He pastored at St. Lewis Missouri area where 4 of his sons also pastored. One son, Paul changed his name to DAUTEN. All Dautenhahn / Dauten in America are related as name is so rare. It could be same for those in Germany. Klittich could be same. I would like contact with other Dautenhahns to be able to trace back further. One contact in Germany thought the name was practically extinct and she did not know the origin either.



JENNINGS, Mrs. Ruth
6509 Sutter Avenue, Carmichael, California 95608-2726


I am seeking information on my great grandmother Auguste Henriette Johanna Müller, an actress, probably born circa 1840-1850. She was the unwed mother of Louis Friedrich Albert Müller who was born 18 November 1864 in Raguhn, Saxon-Anhalt who also became an actor. I have no further details.



JENSON, Gust
E5236 650th Avenue, Menomonie, Wisconsin 54751-, USA
eMail address: gruby@ecol.net


I am seeking information about Gottlieb GERHARDT, born at Dobitschen, Herzogthun, Altenburg in 1812, died 19 March 1892 at Farmington, Wisconsin. He emigrated in 1848 (ship and ports of departure and entry unknown), possibly accompanied by younger brother William Gerhardt, leaving a brother Fredrick in Germany where he became "an eye doctor who attended the Kaiser". Aboard ship in 1848 he met SOPHIE FRITSCHEN, born July 1828 at Reichstadt, Herzogthun, Sachsen, Altenburg and died 13 Decenber 1890 at Farmington, Wisconsin. She was emigrating with her parents. Gottlieb and Sophie married in 1851. I would like to find Gottlieb's parents, ship and ports of departure and entry and information on Fredrick Gerhardt. Thank you for any help or direction.



KASTEN, Ruth GRUNOW
982 North Hills Drive, Cape Girardau, Missouri 63701-8911


Searching for the descendants of Anna Olga Agnes GRUNOW, born 6 April 1864 in Buckau, Germany, baptised 30 May 1864 at St. Getrauden in Magdeburg, Germany. Witnesses were Henry MUELLER, Henry HOFERT, Henry EURBECK, Mrs. EGLING, and Mrs. HUTH. Her father was Carl "August" GRUNOW born 15 July 1837, died 26 August 1873 in Buckau, Germany, a painter and blacksmith, and Christine Friederike Wilhelmine MULLER born 10 November 1838. Her address was listed as Karlstrasse 1, Buckau, Germany from 1873-1875. In 1874 she married Wilhelm Albert OPPERMAN. In 1881 Chistiane and Wilhelm lived at Helberstadt, Germany.

Anna Olga Agnes GRUNOW's only sibling was Carl Adelbert "Otto" GRUNOW, born 17 January 1860 at Buckau and died 6 February 1910 at Mishawaka, Indiana. He married Wilhelmina Louise "Sophie" Steiler on 18 March 1881 at Magdeburg, Germany. Sophie was born 22 February 1857 in Magdeburg and died 11 November 1928 at Modesto, California. Otto an Sophie came to the United States in April 1881 and lived in the South Bend and Mishawaka Indiana area. I have all the United State genealogy recorded for the Grunow family in the United States and a family reunion is planned in July 1997. I have been told that the Magdeburg church records are sealed unless your are an immediate family member. I hope the web will help us find our descendants.



KIRSCH, Karin Marie
eMail address: vakarine@evansville.net


I have my great-grandfather's marriage certificate from New York City in 1885. Ernst Gottlieb QUEITZSCH stated that he was born in Machern bei Leipzig (about 1860) and that his parents' names are August Queitzch and Wilhelmine SCHUBERT. I haven't been able to find any records at the LDS library to help me confirm this - can anyone help me find records for this Queitzsch / Schubert family?
Webmaster's Note: Very few microfilms of Saxony church records exist due to opposition from church leaders there. However Saxony court records are in the public domain and a GSU (Genealogical Society of Utah = FHL) filming project started several years ago. My cursory review of the FHL 17th edition of the CD-ROM catalog (FHLC) indicates that the court records of most if not all of the county (Kreis) seats in Sachsen Provinz (Saxony Province) have been microfilmed (some other parts of Saxony are not in the catalog yet). Thus I expect the court records for Machern (which was not a county seat) may have been filmed and might now be available.

I suggest you check the Meyer's Ortslexikon and obtain the name of the Kreis for this place. That will be where the films will be found it they exist. However I did not see Machern as one of the several suburbs listed under the 7 collections of Leipzig court records in the FHLC. You may need to retain a professional genealogist to solve your problem.


LANDON, Ruth
1790 Bellevue Way, North East, Bellevue, Washington 98004-2856, U.S.A.


I am searching for the family, descendants and ancestors of Julius Alexander KRIEG, born 1824 at Magdeburg, Germany. His wife was Friederike POTEAU (or POTIOT ?), born 1832 at Leipzig. They emigrated to New York prior to 1850. The arrived in California by ship, via crossing the Isthmus of Panama with their seven children, the eldest being 18 years of age. Any suggestions or help will be appreciated. Sorry, I do not have access to eMail.
Webmaster's Note: Lack of knowledge of the religion or the years of emigration to New York and California limits suggestions on the parents. The lack of children's names hampers the ability to locate their birthplace in Germany using the Foreign Voters of California database. It is suggested you research your surname in the Die Ahnenstammkartei des Deutschen Volkes


LAUN, Carol
16 Hummingbird Lane, Granby, Connecticut 06035-, USA
eMail address: claun@worldnet.att.net


Heinrich Bernhardt LAUN was born at Mittelhausen (Thuringen or Saxony) Germany 3 October 1801. He married Friederike Johanna SCHWARZNAU who was born 1 April 1801 at Wandersleben (Thuringen or Saxony) Germany. Both villages are near Erfurt. They had 8 children, probably all born at Mittelhausen. Heinrich Bernhardt LAUN was a "Tischlermeister" or master cabinet maker. I have a copy of a contract when he sold his property in Mittelhausen in 1855. The entire family, including 2 married daughters and their children, emigrated to America in 1855. I am looking for the marriage of LAUN and SCHWARZNAU probably around 1825. Also for their parents, siblings, grandparents and back as far as possible. I have written in German to the churches at Mittelhausen and Wandersleben and enclosed international reply coupons, but have received no reply. I am looking for information in Germany. I have all information in USA.



LEWIS, Phyllis
P.O. Box 500572, Malabar, Florida 329050-0572
eMail address: RESTARZ@aol.com


I am looking for the surname PIRL which is originally from Halle, Germany. They emigrated to the USA sometime between 1895-1910. The father was Franz PIRL, his wife was Clara, daughter Martha, and others. Franz also had brother Otto who may have come before or after FRanz arrived. The emigrated via Hamburg. They settled in Union City, (then called Union Hill) New Jersey. Franz owned companies dealing with cars and trucks, La France & Cadillac. Otto was probably cabinet maker. Martha married a John LEWIS born in New York, parents Elizabeth MESSNER (born New York) and John LEWIS, born Germany 1840-1850 ? Any help appreciated. I cannot find the name Pirl anywhere! It is possibly shortened, but no knowledge of this Know the family of Pirls came from Halle. Is these a way I can get address of Lutheran Churches in Halle? Please inform of any knowledge. Thank you.



NELSON, Roger and Jean
360 West Main Street, Trenton, Utah 84338-, USA
eMail address: nelsonabw@sisna.com


My grandfather was Ernst Paul STROBELT, born at Steinpleiss, by Werdau, Saxony Germany in July 1878. He married Emile Meta MEHLHORN from Bockau, (near Eibenstock). Locations surrounding a very small areas are where both of this families come from cities such as Zwickau, Langenhess, Ruppertsgrun, Falkenstein, Stangengrun, Unterheinsdorf, Blaunethal, Neustadt, Sosa, Wildenthal and Shoenheide. A few of the family surnames are BOTTIGER (BOETTCHER / BÖTTCHER this name has multiple spellings) FUESTEL / FÜSTEL, PAMPEL, ROTHEL, LENCK, KUPFER, DRESSEL, BLANCK, WOLFF, WEIGEL, FLACH, SEIGEL, BRUCKNER, SCHUBERT, SHOENFELDER / SHÖNFELDER, to name only a few. It has been my experience that these people did not move much from a general locality, and the names will interlink throughout the generations. I am looking to find others who might be working in this general area. I have three German data bases, about 2000 names from from Grandfathers line, about 450 names from his wifes line and also another 10,000 names that were from the village of Stangengrun--of which 9,200 over a 400 year period were related in one way or another. There were several connections to direct lines of my grandfather. I have found through LDS records, on fringe lines a few of these names and have had my own researcher, and one from grandfather many years ago so I am reasonably positive of the reliabilty of my data. If any one else is working in this area, please contact me.



NOLLSCH, Roy S.
2440 Kaywood Court, Rancho Cordova, California 95670-4234
eMail address: RoyNoll@aol.com


I am seeking information on Johann Gottlieb JOCKISCH, born Crostau, Saxony 5 November 1771. He emigrated to the United States in December 1834 and died in Illinois in 1835. I am looking for the names of his parents so I can link him to the remainder of the family that stayed in Germany.



OBENAUF, Bill
eMail address: billobe@juno.com

(Lutheran in Germany)

I am looking for additional information on Traugott Glaubegott Furchtegott OBENAUF, born 28 September 1828 at Gera (Ronneburg or Trebnitz), Saxony, Germany. According to the "Cotton Planter" ships passenger list, he arrived at New York, New York on 15 May 1847, a rope maker. He attended the First Congregational Church of Etna (present name) located in Etna, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. In 1852 the name was The Independent German United Evangelical Church of Etna. He died 5 May 1901 at Etna and is buried at Etna cemetery. His wife was Maria Magdalena MORLOCK, daughter of Georg Jacob MORLOCK. She was born 7 August 1834 at Etna, they were married 11 April 1852 at Etna and she died 23 June 1887 at Etna. They had eight children.

Traugott's father was Christian Heinrich OBENAUF born 9 October 1798; arrived at New York 10 July 1854 on the steamer ship Germania; bought a 290 acre farm at North Lima, Mahoning county, Ohio 9 August 1854; died 21 October 1858 and was buried at the Good Hope Lutheran cemetery at North Lima. Traugott's mother was Christina Marie Emilie SCHMIT, born 23 February 1801 and died 21 August 1834 in Germany. Christian Heinrich OBENAUF was later married to Eva REICHARDT who died in Germany 9 December 1850. Christian had four children with the first wife and six with the second. Eight of his ten children came to America. Christian's father was John (Johann) Heinrich OBENAUF, born 15 January 1770 and died 14 January 1837. Christian's mother was Anna Rosena GERHART, born 1773 and died in 1833. These events probably occurred near Gera, Germany.
Webmaster's Note: Gera is in part of Saxony called Thüringen. It is within the Grafschaft (county) of Ruess. In addition to 3 books on historical information about this county and its military history, the FHL catalog lists an emigration history of Gera on microfilm #0599774 item 6. The Evangelische (Lutheran) Churchbook (1607-1752) is on 10 reels of FHL microfilm. I also suggest you research your surname in the Die Ahnenstammkartei des Deutschen Volkes.


PARTHUM, Howard
6875 Quail Street, Arvada, Colorado, 80004, USA
eMail address: HAPe4me@aol.com


I am researching the surname PARTHUM. My ancestor Christian Eduard PARTHUM was born at Grumbach, Sachsen, Germany in 1845. He emigrated to Lawrence, Massachuesetts USA in 1868-69, where he lived until he died. His father was Johann Samuel Parthum, mother was Johanna Richter. Johann Samuel Parthum had 6 children, of whom Christian Eduard was the youngest. Other children were called Friedrich, Henry, Hermann, Anna, and Katherine. Friedrich lived at Meerane, Sachsen in 1899 (from a letter I have), and Henry, or Henry's daughter lived at Dresden at that time. I am looking for any information concerning the birth and death dates and places for any of the above names. I have looked at all the FHC microfiche that I can find pertaining to this area, but have not located the above given names. From these fiche, I have collected many occurances of the surname PARTHUM dating to the 1700's, and am happy to share these with anyone. I am also collecting any information concerning this surname, as there are three separate family groups in the USA which all came from the same area of Saxony, and many more families in Germany. I am in contact with members of both the other family groups in the USA, as well as persons with this surname who still live in Germany.
Webmaster's Note: See the "Special Notice" above.


PIPER, Cecil
5462 North Pembrook Circle, Olney, Illinois, 62450, USA
eMail address: cep@wworld.com


I am looking for any information on Johannes Adam PFEIFFER, born 1728. He emigrated to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA on September 24 1751 on the ship Neptune. He came from his home town of Neustadt, Saxony, Germany by way of Rotterdam. Married Catherina ZOLLINGER and settled in Fannett township of Franklin County Pennsylvania USA where he is buried. I would like any information relating to his family in Germany or where to search for it. Possibly three brothers arrived in Pennsylvania prior to his coming here.
Webmaster's Note: See the "Special Notice" above.


REIN, Peggy
eMail address: peggy29@primenet.com


Emily Christiana KRETZSCHMANN, born 8 February 1849 at Oelsnitz, Saxony, Germany and died 27 October 1910 at Topedo, Pa. Emily's parents are unknown. She married Anton HALLER in 1869. Anton HALLER was born 14 February 1844 at Oelsnitz, Saxony, Germany, His parents are unknown. Emily and Anton both emigrated to America in 1885.



RIMBACH, Edward
417 North Main Street, Sebastopol, California 95472-3404


Carl RIMBAUGH was born in Saxony sometime between 1830 and 1835. What was his city of origin? He immigrated in 1851 to Philadelphia. His parents are not known. Any assistance will be appreciated



STARK, Chris HARZ
eMail address: bbbayou@gte.net


I am seeking information on my g-grandmother, Augusta HEERDO (HEERDA, HERDA, HEERDES), born November 1869 in Germany. The family says she came from Dresden but I have no proof of that. The 1900 US Census indicates she had immigrated ten years before. She married Christopher HARZ from Berlin in Hoboken, New Jersey on 13 September 1890. On the marriage return it indicates she was 20 years old. Perhaps she came and married within the same year. I do not know how she came or with whom. Her parents were Julian HEERDO and Augusta FRANKE. I would like to document that they were from Dresden, find out their church and her immigration records to the USA.
Webmaster's Note: Prepare to spend alot of time either at Salt Lake City or your nearest Family History Center. There are 16 Topics listed for Dresden in the FHL Catalog and 37 microfilm collections or books are available, including 11 collections of church records. You have your work cut out for you as both Dresden and Berlin were and are large cities with multiple churches.



STRAND, Carl
1436 South Bentley Ave., #6, Los Angeles, California 90025-3400, USA
eMail address: strandeart@aol.com


Jenny GRAU, my great grandmother, was born at Lichtenstein, Saxony 3 September 1859. Jenny married Adolph MAIER (born 3 November 1853 at Memphis, Tennessee, died 7 October 1923 at Los Angeles, CA) circa 1880 at Leipzig, Saxony, and emigrated to Cincinnati, Ohio where they had 3 children: Carl (born 27 July 1881, died 29 October 1935), Max (born 8 April 1886, died 18 October 1964), and Hildegard (died age 13). Jenny remarried Herman OWEN, and died at Long Beach, California 25 January 1950. Jenny's father, Karl Friedrich August GRAU (born circa 1830-1831 at Triebes, Thuringen, died circa 1882 at Mittweida, Saxony), was the Orchestra Conductor for Lichtenstein in 1863, and soon thereafter became the Orchestra Conductor for Mittweida, a position he held until his death. He was a gifted violinist and played throughout Europe with Joseph Joachim in the London String Quartet. Karl F. A. GRAU's father, Master Christian GRAU, was a citizen of Greiz, Thuringen, and a weaver by profession. Jenny's mother was Karl F. A. GRAU's second wife, Marie Theresia Auguste OTTEL (born 27 July 1831 at Eisenberg, Thuringen, 2nd marrriage late 1850s, died 7 February 1916 at San Diego, California), who was a daughter of Christian Julius Hermann OTTEL (or OETTHEL), a citizen of Eisenberg who made gold lace. Any help or suggestions in tracing Jenny GRAU's ancestral lines would be welcome.



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