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Hannover Research List Archive 1997
HANRL-997

Latest update: 21 November 2002 ................................... WebSite Version

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HANRL Archive 97 Posting status:
- entry for ENZ, Beverly, 30 May 1997
- entry for HOWSE, Langley, 30 May 1997
- entry for JOHNSON, James I., 20 June 1997
- entry for BACON, Elaine C., 20 June 1997
- entry for MOVIUS, John, 20 June 1997
- entry for KAPP, Jean, 20 June 1997
- entry for MOST, Muriel, 22 June 1997
- entry for SCHMIDT, Roy H., 23 June 1997
- entry for KUMM, Kenny, 27 June 1997
- entry for GERBOTH, Dale L., 30 June 1997
- entry for ASCHENBRENNER, Dawn, 2 August 1997
- entry for WHEELER, Doris, 11 August 1997
- entry for TRACE, Viv, 17 August 1997
- additions for MOVIUS, John, 17 August 1997
- entry for PAIGO, Pat MAUTHNER, 23 August 1997
- entry for HARTMAN, Dale W., 24 August 1997
- entry for BALCOM, Anna F., 31 August 1997
- entry for MARSHALL, Ken, 12 September 1997
- entry for JORDAN, Gwen, 12 September 1997
- entry for AHLF, Kent, 7 October 1997
- entry for HENDRICKS, Cherry, 7 October 1997
- entry for WARNER, Ruth, 16 October 1997
- entry for NAWROCKI, Blendia, 30 October 1997
- entry for SPIERS, Ethel, 7 December 1997
- entry for BOCK, Lynn, 7 December 1997
- entry for VORNBERG, Dan, 7 December 1997
- entry for ERVIN, Terry, 7 December 1997
- entry for STELLING, Dolores, 7 December 1997
- entry for HUENERS, Denise, 28 December 1997
- new eMail address for BOCK, Lynn, 6 August 2001
- new eMail address for KAPP, Jean, 15 January 2002

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AHLF, Kent
eMail address: KJAhlf@classic.msn.com

I am looking for connections to the Ahlf family from the state of Hannover. Most members are from Osten, Isensee, Kajedeich, Oderquart. These villages are about 30 miles (50 kilometers) west-northwest of Hamburg. I have considerable information dating to mid 1800s. In particular I am looking for more information on Burkhardt AHLF, father of August (born 1853) and John Henry Ahlf (born 1848) of Isensee. Their mother remarried Claus STUEVEN of Isensee / Osten area. Thank you.


ASCHENBRENNER, Dawn
eMail address: DunnDawn@aol.com

I am looking for information on Christian RIEMER (or REIMER),Wilhelm ZANDER, Karl WALTERS, JAKOBS and BRIESHABER (or BRUSHABER) from the Hannover area. These people settled in Wisconsin in the 1800's. I have checked church records and census rolls back to 1880. Family oral history tells of the family coming from Hannover. "Germany" and "Prussia" was all that was listed on the census rolls. All those named are my ancestors. I am especially interested in RIEMER and ZANDERS.


BACON, Elaine C.
2954 Cottle Avenue, San Jose, California 95125-4114
eMail address: ecBac@aol.com

I seek the ancestory of Henry (or H.G.) BUHRMEISTER / BURMEISTER born 4 Jan 1831 at Elmlohe, Lehe, Hanover and his wife, Katherine MANGELS. They were married before the 1862 birth of a daughter. Katherine's parents were John Henry MANGELS and Maria (maiden name unknown) MANGELS presumed to be born in Hanover. H.G.'s father was of Ringstedt, Bremerhaven.


BALCOM, Anna F.
3593 Sun Knoll Drive, Loomis, California 95650-9537

I am searching for the living relatives of the WILP family. They would be living at Priggenhaven or Bersenbrück. They are descendants of Johan Gerd Herman STROHMAM WILP and Anna Marie Gertrud VONHONE, Two of their sons were Herman Henrich WILP and Bernard Henrich WILP. There are also some half brothers. Any information you can find will be greatly appreciated.

Webmaster's Note: One obvious way is to refer to the hotlinked "Suggestions For Finding a Place of Origin in Germany" above or below and then goto the "Germany CD-ROM Telephone book search" by the IGS of Burbank. While microfilm exists for Bersenbrück, we do not comment on sources when the religion is not disclosed.

BOCK, Lynn
email address: bock@nebi.com

I am seeking the ancestors of FERDINAND GUSTAV BOCK b. April 17, 1835 in Hanover, Prussia or Beilfeldt. On 17 January 1859 he married Maria Wilhimen HEIDBREDER, born 1 December 1835, marriage place unknown. Her parents were Albert Heinrich Heidbreder born 5 May 1800 at Hanover, Germany and Sofia HEIDBROCK born 14 September 1804 at Hanover; they both died at Bland, Missouri. Ferdinand and Maria came to America about 1858-59, settled at New Woolam, Gasconade County Missouri, lived on a farm and had 11 children. I understand there was a large community of Germans there, they all attended the same German speaking church and I am in the process of getting the obits from the Genealogy Center in Gasconade County. His brother Frank Gustav BOCK emigrated circa 1850-1858 and married Augusta KUSCHEL. I am interested in any information regarding Ferdinand and Maria while still in Germany, or their ship and date of arrival. Thanks.


ENZ, Beverly
15 Corte de la Canada, Martinez, California 94553-9764
eMail address: benz@silcon.com

Wilhelm Diedrich Heinrich SCHMAEDEKE was born 20 September 1841 at Heemsen, Kreis Nienburg Weser, Hannover. His parents were Johan Heinrich SCHMAEDEKE and Maria Margaretha Schmaedeke. I am seeking information on his emigration and arrival in the USA, approximately in the 1850's.

Webmaster Note: While no microfilm exists in the FHLC at Salt Lake City for this Gemeinde (community), a film does exist of the 1690 Land Records for this Kries - on microfilm 1307568, item 18.


ERVIN, Terry
email address: multitk@indy.net
(Lutheran)

Martin MARTENS was born 5 November 1850 at Bonstdorf, Hanover. He attended elementary school at Hermannsburg and prep school at Wietzendorf 1866 - 1868. He emigrated to USA thru Canada in 1868. Of course, he was Lutheran. I am seeking any information on parents and siblings. Any help greatly appreciated.


GERBOTH, Dale
eMail address: dlg@tx3.com

I am looking for information about the family of Heinrich GERBOTH, said to have been born in Hannover between the years 1811 and 1823, emigrated to the U.S.A. about 1843 and died there in the state of Illinois 3 January 1882. Before emigrating, Heinrich married Rebecka Margaretha Dorothea BURCKE, said to have been born in Hamburg 10 October 1810. She also died in Illinois, U.S.A. 4 October 1876. Before emigrating, Heinrich and Rebecka had a daughter, Sophia, born about 1842. Two sons, Henry and John, were born in the U.S.A.


HARTMAN, Dale W.
2555 US Highway 17 South, Wauchula, Florida 33873-8450
eMail address: dale@strato.net

My ancestors Henry HARTMAN (Heinrich HARTMANN) and son Justus came to the United States from Hanover, Germany in 1801 or 1811. They may have entered through Charleston, South Carolina. Henry's wife's given name is Caroline. Henry was born in Germany 15 November 1779 and died in Morgan County, Ohio 26 November 1841. Justus was born in Germany about 1801 and died in Athens County, Ohio about 24 December 1875. Justus applied for citizenship at Charleston, South Carolina in 1823. I'm interested in any information regarding them while still in Germany or their ship and arrival date, etc. Thank you.


HENDRICKS, Cherry
eMail address: twoscompany@earthlink.net

I am looking for information on Johann Friedrich HORSTMANN, born in May 1823 at Hannover. His wife's name was Berth Eliza. They married about 1849 at Hannover and emmigrated to the U.S. about 1858, settling in Greenup County, Kentucky. Any help would be appreciated.


HOWSE, Langley
19508 South Inspiration, Pioneer, California 95666-9357

Seeking Otto MEESE and Katrina BELLMAN MEESE, born circa 1840. They lived and died in the Hannover area. Known children are John MEESE, died circa 1877 in germany, Henry born 1860 in Hannover, died 1947, Santa Rosa, California. Any help will be appreciated. I do not have eMail.


HUENERS, Denise
eMail address: de_soto@ccnet.com

I am seeking information on parents, birthplace, emigration and arrival to the United States of Augustus Frederick MILLER (MUELLER) born 1821 at Hanover. He arrived in Oregon in 1853 and married Sarah ? from New York.
Webmaster's Note: One of your few hopes in finding an ancestor with the most common German surname is to search the Die Ahnenstammkartei des Deutschen Volkes and just look for persons with the MÜLLER / MUELLER surname that lived at Hanover.

JOHNSON, James I.
3122 North Angela Lane, Oak Harbor, Washington 98277-9002
eMail address: chestnut@whidbey.net

I am seeking information on Louie HUSSEMAN, born about 1833 in Hannover as indicated in the 1860 census in Yreka, Siskyou County California as:
"HUSSEMAN ... Louie ... 27 ... Tin Smith ... 300 ... 3000 ... Hanover".
I am seeking information on his parents, siblings, and date of emigration.


JORDAN, Gwen
P.O.Box 307, Townsend, Tennessee 37882-
eMail address; GwenJn@aol.com

I am searching for husband's G-Grandfather data. He was Gerhard / Gerhart John HANSON, born 8 April 1863 at Hanover, Germany. I need data on his emigration to US, when from where? He died at Columbus, Ohio, on 30 December 1945. He married a Margaret OLENDORF, but don't know whether in US or Germany. She was born 9 July 1869 at Afton Ohio and died 13 July 1945. His brother was Charles Hanson. Any help will be most appreciated.


KAPP, Jean
eMail address: Jkapp98@aol.com
(Lutheran)

I am seeking ancestors names of George GOSSMAN born 4 March 4 1833 in Friedlos, Kingdom of Hannover, Germany. His parents' names were John GOSSMAN and Martha CLAY GOSSMAN. They were Lutheran. I am also seeking ancestors names of Johann Heinrich Frederick August FROHNE who was born February 1803 in Hardegsen, Kingdom of Hannover, Germany. He married Caroline GEIER in Germany. Caroline GEIER was born 12 July 1803. They were Lutheran also. Thanks


KUMM, Kenny
eMail address Kummken@aol.com

Researching Christian KUMM, a railroad signalman, and his wife, Wilkemine DITTNER. Both were living in Tantow, Germany in 1884. A son, Ernst Ferdinand KUMM, a blacksmith, was born 18 Nov 1855 in Schonfeld, Randow, Germany and married Marie Dorothea Charlotte EBISCH, a maid on 18 Sep 1884 in Hanover, Germany. Ernst and Marie emigrated to America sometime after Nov 1886 and family settled in the Chicago, Illinois area. Marie was born 4 Dec 1854 and was the daughter of master shoemaker, Heinrich Konrad EBISCH and Marie Dorothea Elizabeth TASMANN from Salzhemmendorf, Germany. All were Lutheran.


MARSHALL, Ken
1250 Loryn Lane, Half Moon Bay, California 94019-1419
eMail address: marshal@jps.net

I am seeking information and descendants of Andrew WITT and his wife Maria KNABBE who came from Hanover to Oakland, California before 1900.
Webmaster's Note: To be able to help you we need you to share anything else you know about them, including religion, birth, marriage and death dates, siblings, etc.

MOST, Muriel
East 9499 Radke Road, New London, Wisconsin 54961-
eMail address: Mostview@athenet.net

Maria BREMER was born 4 January 1872, Hannover, Germany. She came to America in 1874 with her parents Andreas BREMER born 11 March 1839, and Margaretha Bremer (nee DAMMANN) born 20 August 1846. Andreas' parents were Andrew BREMER and Margaretta REESE. Margaetha DAMMANN's parents were Hans DAMMANN and Anna AUGESTEIN. I would like more information on any of these ancestors. Maria BREMER married Frederick CORDES born 24 June 1868 in Dollern, Germany. Maria and Frederick (my grandparents) lived and died in Zumbrota, Minnesota.


MOVIUS, John
eMail address: FEEFHS7777@aol.com
(Lutheran)

I seek information on Julius MOVIUS, pedigree ancestor of the Buffalo-Boston branch of the Movius family. He was was born 14 November 1811 at Liebenau, Kreis Nienburg, Hannover Prussia; married Mary Leonard VIBBARD June 1841 at Waterford, New York, died October 1871 at Buffalo, New York. He emigrated to America via Baltimore (1829), was a merchant at Ypsilanti (1838-1849) and General Agent for the Michigan Central Railroad and Michigan state senator while living at Detroit. Then he moved to Buffalo (1851) where he became General Agent for three rail and shipping lines from Buffalo west thru Canada and Lake Erie to Detroit and beyond. After retirement (1867) he became U.S. Consul at Koblenz, Germany until his death.

Gerta Hafner, a professional genealogist in Germany, was unable to gain access to the Liebnau Lutheran churchbook in 1992. (The sole researcher authorized by the pastor refused to open it stating he had not encountered the surname in his 30 years of research there). No microfilm of Hannover churchbook records is available due to opposition from the church leaders. Julius had a sister who spelled her name Juliana MOEBUS living in Bucks County Pennsylvania in the early 1830's. It is not likely her surname was spelled Moebus or Moebius at birth - more probably changed by a clerk on immigration. He also had a younger relative Movius MEYERS. Any information on this family or the MOVIUS, MOEBIUS, MOEBUS, MEVIUS, MOVIA and MEVIA surnames in your ancestry will be appreciated and additional information shared.

I recently discovered and am also seeking information on Daniel Joachim MOVIUS born 4 January 1697 at Winsen / Aller, Hannover, died 3 September 1767 at Heiligenloh (NW of Hannover). He graduated from Jena Universität 5 October 1717 and was a private tutor retained by Oberamtmann Johann Phillip PALM at Ehrenburg (Hannover) and later was pastor at Heiligenloh (1728). This is from: Schloss-Kirchenbuch Hannover (1680-1812) - see deatils under the "Hannover Sources" Section below). Daniel married and had at least one son, Johann Christian Movius (born Heiligenloh 1730, died 6 March 1803) who graduated from Göttingen Universität 13 April 1750 and was General Auditeur. Is it possible Daniel was the great grandfather or great uncle of Julius? While no microfilm of Ehrenburg, Heiligenloh or Liebnau is found, Winsen on the Aller River (downstream from Celle and NE of Liebnau) has much information on FHL microfilm (6 topics, 13 collections) for me to look at.


NAWROCKI, Blendia
eMail address: nawrocki@nac.net
Home page URL

I have a ancestor, Eduard KOHLMANN, born in Hanover, Germany who arived 20 June 1961 on the ship "Albani" from Bremerhaven to New York. I am looking for his wife Margaretta WEITZEL. When she came to America? Did she come on the ship with her husband? Did they marry in New York or in Germany? There first child was born 1862 in either New York or New Jersey. According to the 1870 US Federal census she was born at Elba Hesion in Germany. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Webmaster's Note: The "Surname Search section of the FHL Catalog includes 3 Kohlmann listing including an old Netherlands family and 12 for Weitzel - I think one is a Hesse line. Hesion is likely a phoentic spelling of Hesse.

PAIGO, Pat MAUTHNER
7404 Big Cypress Drive, Miami Lakes, Florida 33014-
eMail address: mcdn33a@prodigy.com
(Catholic)

I am searching for information about my grandmother Caroline RAUF, born at Osnabruck, Provinve of Hannover 7 May 1877. When she came to America she married Henry George HARDEWIG at White Oakes (Cincinnati), Ohio, 23 June 1898. They lived there for a few years and then moved to Hamilton, Ohio where they lived for the rest of their lives. They had 5 children, George, who died at age 14, Rose, Alvina, Oscar and Henry (Harry) Hardewig. I know that they had relatives in the Cincinnati area. If anyone has any information concerning either of these families, please contact me. It is very difficult for me to get to the Family History Center (FHC), thus I'm using the computer to be my biggest helper. Thank you.
Webmaster's Note: What are the married names of Rose and Alvina? Have you checked the 1900 census for Cincinnati? Have you contacted genealogical societies for Cincinnati and Hamilton, Ohio? The Palatines to America probably have chapters covering both of your locations and some of the leaders may have eMail addresses. Try to get a Cincinnati city directory of 1899 and 1900 searched for your surname relatives.

There were a few Catholics in Hannover Province but it is primarily Lutheran. There are some very limited Catholic records of the Osnabruck Dom (only the year 1813 and the year 1868) on FHL microfilm #1336728 as items 1-2. Have you excluded the possibility she emigrated through Hamburg (which has ship passenger records, although Bremen is closer to Hannover)?


While you say it is difficult to get to an FHC, it still is the best way for you to solve your problem in Germany. The one listing of Rauf in the FHL Catalog infers the possibility of a Swiss heritage for that line in America. In difficult situations like yours, where no passenger list or church records apparently exist, searching Die Ahnenstammkartei des Deutschen Volkes at an FHC is a must. Also search the LDS Ancestral File at the FHC and especially look for others searching your surnames - they may have answered some of your questions.

The Internet can help you in many ways, such as using web search engines like HotBot and AltaVista to provide listings of your surname on the WWW (see the FEEFHS Genealogy Toolbox). But the Internet does not replace the traditional research, methods and effort that have been in existence for decades.

SCHMIDT, Roy H.
1737 Beverly Drive, Modesto, California 95358-2317
eMail address: roy-sch@juno.com

I am searching for more information and others researching the MEYN surname from Ritzabüttl and Balje; ELLWEGE from Cadenberge; VON BARGEN from Balje; and SCHADE METTA from Cadenberge, Nieder-Sachen.


SPIERS, Ethel
eMail address: DIXIE1@webtv.net

I am looking for information on Wilhelm Augustus DIETRICH AHREND born 6 March 1822 at Lautenthal, Kreis Zellerfield, Kingdom of Hannover. His mother was Henritte DIETRICH. Her father was Karl or Carl DIETRICH who died about 1883. Wilhelm AHREND came to America about 1842 and married Falby BASS on 30 September 1844 in Franklin County Mississippi. Wilhelm became William in America. He made at least one trip back to Germany in connection with the death of Karl DIETRICH. I would like to know the ancestors of these families. Thanks for your help.


STELLING, Dolores
P. O. Box 929, Valdez, Alaska 99686-0929, U.S.A.
eMail address: morin@alaska.net

I am searching for birth, church and family records of Herman STELLING, born in Hanover, Germany 26 August 1848. He fought 21 battles in the Franco-Prussian War. He emigrated from Hamburg to New York, arriving 22 April 1874 on the ship "Westphalia" at age 25. Emigration records from Hamburg stated he was from the town of Hannah or Hammah. He married Adelheid Margarete PETERS on 17 July 1875 at Red Wing, Goodhue County, Minnesota. He died 24 February 1922 at Lake City, Minnesota.

I am also searching records for his wife, Adelheid Margaret PETERS, born 5 August 1854 in Hanover, Germany. She emigrated 12 May 1875 from Hamburg to New York 12 May 1875 on the Ship THURINGIA at age 25. Emigration record from Hamburg states she was from town of Heinmelpfortew (Himmelpforten). She died 15 May 1921 at Missoula, Montana. Thank you for your help.Z


TRACE, Viv
eMail address: mvtaat@aol.com

I am looking for any information on a Jacob BERG born October 1822 at Hanover, Germany who came to Iowa County Wisconsin circa 1850 from Hanover Germany. I believe he came with a sister Magdalene BERG and possibly with a wife named Appolonia LINDEN / LINDON (born circa 1820, died 8 February 1870). One child born 1850 also in Hanover Germany was a daughter, Catherine BERG. Did he also have a brother named Jacob who went by Thomas? Was his father Peter and his Mother Elizabeth? I am not for certain. Any information on Jacob Berg and his wife Appolonia will be appreciated.

I have the 1860 and 1870 census on Jacob Berg; on the 1860 it states from Hanover Germany. I did find an immigration record for him at the Lafayette County courthouse that just states from Germany. I have all of his land records for property bought and sold in Lafayette County. He signs his name as Jacob Berg and wife Appolonia Berg. So I know this was correct spelling, but on the census for 1860 and 1870 he is listed as Jacob BARISH. I have confirmed this is my Jacob and his family. On his death certificate he is listed as Jacob BERGER, his parents Peter and Elizabeth Berg, his place of birth Germany. However on his will when he died is Jacob BERG.
Webmaster Note: You might consider looking at the Hannover Civil Register of births (1810-1879). Jacob Berg's birth and his parents names might be on film #0492821 (1811-1827). Also in the FHL Catalog on CD-ROM, under Hannover, Hannover, look under the "Genealogy" topic and note the Schloss-Kirchenbuch (1680-1812) by Hans Funke - a book at the FHL in Salt Lake City - and the two Hannover cemetery records on microfilm. These might offer leads regarding Jacob's parents if the civil registration confirms their names.

VORNBERG, Dan
eMail address: greenbrown@aol.com

I am looking for the parentage and birthplace of Heinrich Wilhelm DELBRUEGGE, born 1827 somewhere in the Kingdom of Hannover. He emigrated to United States in 1851 and in 1853 married Augusta Maria Leuiese DIERING (born 1830 in Hannover) at St. Louis, Missouri. His sister Katharine Wilhelmina DELBRUEGGE was born 1828 at Nuenkirken bei Melle, Hannover, but I have not located church records or parentage for either.


WARNER, Ruth
eMail address: rwarner675@aol.com

I am seeking the father of Martin GRUNEWALD, born 22 February 1838, possibly at Hanover, and his brother John, born 1835 at Hanover. John married Ernestine. Her mother was Anna, born about 1815 (she could have been a HOFFMAN). The family emigrated to the old Gulf port of Indianola Texas in the 1840s - perhaps 1848 - and settled in Goliad county Texas.


WHEELER, Doris
eMail address: doriswheeler@worldnet.att.net

George Harry LUHMANN and Meta MAHLER came to the United States in March 1888 from Verstarder Hemmor, Hannover. Three of their four sons came with them: Henry, Harry and John Henry, born 3 June 1866. Klaus remained in Germany. John Henry married Marie BODE / BODA in 1892. They had four children: Meta, George, Marie and John Henry, Jr.

This last John Henry was born 2 Sep 1897. The 100th birthday for John Henry LUHMANN is on 2 Sep 1997. He would be thrilled to hear from any relatives still living in Germany.

We would like to exchange information with any relatives living today and would welcome any news of Klaus and his descendents. We are also interested in learning more about Verstarder Hemmor; perhaps where any archives might be kept from 19th century newspapers and civil records.

John Luhmann would love to get in touch with his relatives in Germany, as would his five children. My involvement is through my sister who is his daughter-in-law, so I'm not related to him but I love him dearly and am very close to all his family. I'm also the only one involved with genealogy research. I have written to the ten Luhmanns listed in the Hannover telephone directory. I have also sent e-mail letters to the three Luhmanns in Germany who are on the internet. Thank you for your help.

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